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Lonna Bowstripe
January 23rd, 2005, 08:53 PM
[SPOILER]Couldn't Harry have used the timeturner to prevent his parents being killed and even kill Voldemort?[SPOILER]
Ferahgo the Assassin
January 23rd, 2005, 08:59 PM
I see two possible answers to this:
1. If he could, would he want to? Think about turning time back 13 years, how much everything would change. Dumbledore was paranoid just letting Hermoine use it for a few minutes: I seriously doubt it'd be safe - or even legal - to change it back 13 years. Probability is a tricky thing. And who's to say, even if he did go back, he'd succeed? He was just a baby, so obviously, things would be complicated. Would he just show up and blast Voldy's head from behind or something? What if he died in combat then (Voldy was strong then, after all) - how would that affect things?
The luck Harry had when he didn't die the first time was so phenominal that he might not want to go back and try it again, you know? His mother's magic held on him as a baby, but would it as a teenager as well? Doubtful.
In conclusion: I highly doubt Dumbledore would let him do it, for lots of reasons (some of which I know I can't come up with).
2. It might be like how in Final Fantasy, if a character is killed as part of the storyline, you can't use Phoenix Downs on them. :P
P.S. Might wanna fix your spoiler tag.
Wormerwing
January 24th, 2005, 03:56 PM
'Bout the spoiler tag thing. Don't really need it seeing as you could just idle the mouse over the title like in Hisk's "AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH"
Also, if Harry had gone back, things would get really complicated. Think about it, if he had saved himself from the curse, he probably would not have the magical ability he had, seeing as it was probably transferred from Voldemort. Therefore, he would not be able to kill him. Then, Voldemort would attack him, giving him his power, and Harry could kill him, reducing his power, so he couldn't go back, and therefore not kill him.... Okay, now I'm getting confused. Anyway, you get what I'm sayin'?
Lyrian Aryns
January 24th, 2005, 05:30 PM
And it'd also be a predestination paradox: if he goes back and kills Voldemort, then he will have stopped his parents from dying, but he's also eliminated his reason for going back and killing Voldemort in the first place.
I've always wondered why Fudge conveniently forgot that Hermione had a time turner at the end. It's not that difficult to piece together what happened with that bit of information at hand, and he had to have known about it because the ministry was loaning it to her.
Wormerwing
January 24th, 2005, 06:07 PM
And it'd also be a predestination paradox: if he goes back and kills Voldemort, then he will have stopped his parents from dying, but he's also eliminated his reason for going back and killing Voldemort in the first place.
I've always wondered why Fudge conveniently forgot that Hermione had a time turner at the end. It's not that difficult to piece together what happened with that bit of information at hand, and he had to have known about it because the ministry was loaning it to her.
green-that's kinda what I said
red-1.cause he's Fudge
2.he was too busy spending his corruption money from Lucius
Bladeswift
January 24th, 2005, 08:22 PM
Because it would ruin the plot.
Lyrian Aryns
January 24th, 2005, 09:35 PM
Plot holes can ruin the plot, too, y'know. :p
LordTBT
January 24th, 2005, 10:10 PM
haha I never thought of this before. What an incredibly huge plot hole.
However if JKR was asked I'm sure the answer would be something like it had some sort of spell over it to only work at that time or something like that or only work for a 24hr period or something.
Rolinko
January 25th, 2005, 12:34 AM
You see, Lonna, JKRowling structured the time travel events in Year 3 very carefully. The timeline was never actually altered. Harry realizes this when he realizes that he saw himself. A few other clues appear in the story as well, such as "a last pair of footsteps and a door slamming" when Harry, Ron and Hermione set off for Hagrid's hut underneath the Invisibility Cloak. Even more clues abound in the movie. "Ow! Someone threw a rock at me!" (Harry never said that but you should get the idea. I loved the constant ticking in the background when it all started, and the symbolism whenever the camera flew through the giant clock.)
If Luke Skywalker went back in time, found himself and cut his past self's lightsaber in half, the "future" lightsaber would also be split in two. And it would not have been able to cut the "past" lightsaber in the first place. That's what you call a conundrum. A paradox. An enigma. a mystery. Call it what you will. An equation with no solution. (This last paragraph is yet again a retelling of what Lyrian and Wormerwing said. Basically it is a principle frequently used to prove that time travel is impossible.)
I see no plot hole my good Badgerlord. If anything, it's a triviality.
On a completely different note, Harry had a lot on his mind during those three hours, and was too busy trying to save the lives of about half a dozen people to worry about turning the Time-Turner 113,956 times in order to go back in time 13 years and save his parents. And besides that, he'd have to get it away from Hermione first, who'd give him yet another earful about wizards who killed their past or future selves.
And besides all this, that would conflict with something we learned in Year 5:Professor Trelawney's first true prediction.This of course would undoubtedly result in the implosion of the universe. Or not.
Whew. I'm getting long-winded.
Chelki Sureshot
January 25th, 2005, 01:16 PM
Anyway, even he did go back 13 years, he would have to wait those 13 yeasrs again until the two selves merged. Does that make sense? Unless he can jump back to the present somehow.
Martin of Redwall II
January 28th, 2005, 01:08 PM
[SPOILER]Couldn't Harry have used the timeturner to prevent his parents being killed and even kill Voldemort?[SPOILER]
1. ya he coulda but ur forgetting meddling with time is a very dangerous thing. and killing voldemort in the past may cause even bigger problems in the future. though that's not likely..........
but i think that if it was me i wouldve used it even though id probably get sent to azkaban for the rest of my life for it. (he he.. that's y u gotta train to be an animagus ;) )
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