Foreshadow

[Wormerwing]

Ohhhhh! Remember in PS or SS(depending on nationality) where they found the dead unicorn? Hagrid said something about the innocent dying. Did that have something to do with Sirius? Was JK already planning on killing him?

[Bladeswift]

Uh...I don't think it was. Could you give the page where this is said so I could look it over myself?

[Wormerwing]

Yeah, I went to check about it, but couldn't find it. I don't know where I came up with that. Dang, I thought I had sumtin' there.

EDIT, BIG EDIT

Found it!!!!


"Yeah," said Hagrid, glancing up too. "Listen, I'm glad we've run inter yeh, Ronan, 'cause there's a unicorn bin hurt-you seen anythin'?"
Ronan didn't answer immediately. He stared unblinkingly upward, then sighed again.
" Always the innocent are the first victims," he said. "So it has been for ages past, so it is now."

It's page 253 SS PB, 184-185 PS Hardback, and I can't find my SS HB right now. Anyway, it's when they first meet the centaurs in the Forbidden Forest.

[Bladeswift]

I'm pretty sure Ronan was referring to the unicorn as the "innocent."

[Wormerwing]

Yes, but JK has before put many foreshadowings. Maybe this is one of them.

[Lonna Bowstripe]

No, it's the unicorn. Voldemort drank its blood.

[Wormerwing]

I KNOW IT'S ABOUT THE UNICORN.


But what if it's about Sirius, too?

[Bladeswift]

The saying "Always the innocent are the first victims" seems to me like just a wise observation.

For starters, Sirius wasn't really that much of an "innocent" when he died. He was fighting against Voldemort and his followers, and therefore wouldn't be considered an innocent. He was their enemy. Just as an American soldier being killed by a German soldier during WW2 wouldn't be considered an innocent.

The unicorn on the otherhand wasn't against Voldemort, it was merely trying to live its life. That makes the unicorn an innocent.

I don't think in this instance Rowling was referring to anyone but the unicorn and that she was merely trying to add a dramatic "poetic effect" to the unicorn's death.

[Wormerwing]

Okay, I submit.

But, before I go, I'll explain the "innocent" thing.

Sirius=believed to be killer. WAS INNOCENT

Got that off my chest. Bye-Bye :D

[Bladeswift]

Okay, I submit.

But, before I go, I'll explain the "innocent" thing.

Sirius=believed to be killer. WAS INNOCENT

Got that off my chest. Bye-Bye :D
If you're looking at it that way then I'd REALLY have to say Rowling wasn't referring to Sirius.

[Wormerwing]

Yup, thought about it. Stupid

[shadowmoon]

if you're talking about the bit when ronan said the stuff bout innocents wasn't that refering to lik, people in general? he was helping harry at the time and harry was in some trouble so therefore harry was like the victim like the people who keep getting killed in the books. So isnt jk rowling just mean that more innocents shall die? or is this very obvious? :confused:

[Wormerwing]

Thank you. Geez, I've been having my ideas disputed too much.

[Bladeswift]

You might want to see about having that brain exchanged. j/k It's alright, just remember that you learn more from your defeats than your victories.

[shadowmoon]

A word from an experienced verteran? - jk :D

[Cheesethief]

I think it may have had something to do with Harry's parents.

[Bladeswift]

A word from an experienced verteran? - jk :D
If you could look at my past discussions on other forums you'd think I was a whole nother person.

[Martin of Redwall II]

i dnt even think she had sirius in her plans till PoA :confused:

[Cheesethief]

No, he's mentioned in PS. I think it was obvious he would appear sometime from that point on.

[Madd The Sane]

i dnt even think she had sirius in her plans till PoA :confused:
No, he is mentioned at the beginning of Sorcerers stone by Hagrid saying that Sirius had given him his motorcycle to Hagrid.

[KitsuneRose]

The saying "Always the innocent are the first victims" seems to me like just a wise observation.
I agree. It may be very well that JKR already had it in mind for Sirius to die, and maybe she didn't, but I think that statement was just that. A statement. Perhaps it referred to the entire series, and how more innocent lives will be lost before it's all over. And perhaps it was just referring to the unicorn. It's easy to read into things like that.

[shadowmoon]

No, he is mentioned at the beginning of Sorcerers stone by Hagrid saying that Sirius had given him his motorcycle to Hagrid.
Wasnt that a flashback? like back to the time when sirius wasn t considered evil by everyone? before evryone hated him cuz they thought he batrayed lily and james? so like, he was just introduced then. JK Rowling might not hav had any plans for him cept he was the mystery bike lender :)

[Barrag Barr]

JK did have a plan for Sirius, on her website she said she planned out all seven volumes before hand

[shadowmoon]

ya know i reckoon oppl will want an eighth though i doubt she'd oblige