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    Angry Where have all the Mice gone?

    When BJ first started writing Redwall, it seemed that the mouse was always the main character.

    Ex. Redwall- Matthias
    Mossflower- Martin
    Mattimeo- Mattimeo/Matthias
    Meriel of Redwall- Meriel

    Then, Brian decided to broaden his horizens a little by introducing the main character of Salamandastron as a squirrel, Samkin. Then he went back to the ever popular Martin, in Martin the Warrior. And yet, again he had a mouse as the main character in The Bellmaker, Joseph. After The Bellmaker, though there weren' too many mice as main characters in books that followed.

    Ex. Outcast of Redwall- Sunflash
    Pearls of Lutra- Grath/Tansy
    Long Patrol- Tammo
    Marlfox- Danflor Reguba

    Finally, after four books BJ decides to bring back the mouse as Martin, in The Legend of Luke. After that though, mice were left on the bookshelf for another four books and soon to be five books with RT coming out.

    Ex. Lord Broktree- Broktree
    Taggerung- Tagg
    Triss- Triss
    Loamhedge- Marhta/Braggon/Sarro
    Rakkety Tamm- Rakkety Tam (I presume)

    So what I'm upset about is the lack of mice as main charaters in BJ's new books. I love mice, but they are being left on the bookshelf. Why is BJ doing this? And will his new book after RT finnally have a mouse as the main character? I certainly hope so!
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    I always found mice boring and liked the other creatures better personally.
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    PoL-martin II or III was a character.
    i would like to see a mouse again though.
    Hey, buds. I haven't been here in, well, a good while. Last visited January 9th...Well, I'm sorry to have forgotten you guys. Some of you (Most, I hope) will remember me, and others will, I'm sure, have been told about me, and warned to lock up their daughters and wives. Heh. Anyway, I'm posting a thread about my future here, so...get over there. Read it.

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    I thought about Martin II, but I didn't put him down because he wasn't really a main character mouse, but a sub-character.
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    I kinda miss the mice in these stories. They always seemed to be in the mood for adventure and were always friendly. Now they don't do really do anything except act as abbot or abbess or become a sidekick to one of the warriors.
    Wasn't the last mouse warrior Martin II? And he did not seem to be the main character in the story, yet he did fight Ublaz.
    Brian should definietly bring back a mouse warrior, and I hope he does so after Rackkety Tam.

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    While I enjoy it when squirrels are the abbey champions, there haven't been many mice champions for awhile. Personally I would like to see a hare or badger claim the Martin Sword.
    Sometimes I here through the night,
    Dreaming of those far-flung days.
    I'll gaze into the fire's warm light,
    As if into sunlit haze.
    And here they come, those comrades mine,
    Laughing, happy, brave to see,
    Untarished by the dust of time,
    Forever fresh in memory.
    The way we march, the feast so grand,
    I'll tell you of them all,
    From Salamandastron's west strand,
    And north up to Redwall.
    Of the high adventures each new dawn,
    As side by side we stood in war,
    This tale is told that you may learn,
    Just what true friends are for.

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    Wouldn't it be wierd though, to see a hare with the sword of Martin and if a badger had the sword it would more likely be "The Dagger of Martin the Warrior.

    That would be funny to see!
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    who needs mice? SQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIR RELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSS QUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRR ELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQ UIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRE LSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQU IRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELSSQUIRREL SSQUIRRELSSQUIRRELS
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    I believe one of these days their will have to be either a shrew as a main character, a bird or mole. Mice were well known in the past; i agree that mice should come back for about a book or two.
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    "Oh mighty warriors lead me through this dreadful rain,
    Guide me through this cruel pain.
    Please, strong lords clasp me by the heavy paw,
    And help me if I am to fall-
    Save me from haunting ghosts,
    And the ones that hurt me most.
    Hold me tight donít let me go.
    Or Iíll fall into the paws of awful foe.
    Help me through this battered trail-
    And end this crestfallen tale."

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    last warror mouse- Martin tw, his grandad (mart 1) and mart 3.
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    Hedgehogs are better.
    wHaT fOoLs Iz j00???///

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    WE NEED MORE SQUIRRELS
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    More squirrels? I couldn't see that happening.
    Sincerely,
    Lady Kediassa

    "Oh mighty warriors lead me through this dreadful rain,
    Guide me through this cruel pain.
    Please, strong lords clasp me by the heavy paw,
    And help me if I am to fall-
    Save me from haunting ghosts,
    And the ones that hurt me most.
    Hold me tight donít let me go.
    Or Iíll fall into the paws of awful foe.
    Help me through this battered trail-
    And end this crestfallen tale."

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    Um, Blurtail?

    Shut up.
    wHaT fOoLs Iz j00???///

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    Originally posted by Element_man
    Um, Blurtail?

    Shut up.


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