Foreshadow

Wormerwing · January 31st, 2005, 03:27 PM

Ohhhhh! Remember in PS or SS(depending on nationality) where they found the dead unicorn? Hagrid said something about the innocent dying. Did that have something to do with Sirius? Was JK already planning on killing him?

Bladeswift · January 31st, 2005, 03:53 PM

Uh...I don't think it was. Could you give the page where this is said so I could look it over myself?

Wormerwing · January 31st, 2005, 04:00 PM

Yeah, I went to check about it, but couldn't find it. I don't know where I came up with that. Dang, I thought I had sumtin' there.

EDIT, BIG EDIT

Found it!!!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Paperback

"Yeah," said Hagrid, glancing up too. "Listen, I'm glad we've run inter yeh, Ronan, 'cause there's a unicorn bin hurt-you seen anythin'?"
Ronan didn't answer immediately. He stared unblinkingly upward, then sighed again.
" Always the innocent are the first victims," he said. "So it has been for ages past, so it is now."

It's page 253 SS PB, 184-185 PS Hardback, and I can't find my SS HB right now. Anyway, it's when they first meet the centaurs in the Forbidden Forest.

Bladeswift · January 31st, 2005, 05:28 PM

I'm pretty sure Ronan was referring to the unicorn as the "innocent."

Wormerwing · January 31st, 2005, 08:27 PM

Yes, but JK has before put many foreshadowings. Maybe this is one of them.

Lonna Bowstripe · January 31st, 2005, 09:10 PM

No, it's the unicorn.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
Voldemort drank its blood.

Wormerwing · February 1st, 2005, 07:07 AM

I KNOW IT'S ABOUT THE UNICORN.

But what if it's about Sirius, too?

Bladeswift · February 1st, 2005, 06:13 PM

The saying "Always the innocent are the first victims" seems to me like just a wise observation.

For starters, Sirius wasn't really that much of an "innocent" when he died. He was fighting against Voldemort and his followers, and therefore wouldn't be considered an innocent. He was their enemy. Just as an American soldier being killed by a German soldier during WW2 wouldn't be considered an innocent.

The unicorn on the otherhand wasn't against Voldemort, it was merely trying to live its life. That makes the unicorn an innocent.

I don't think in this instance Rowling was referring to anyone but the unicorn and that she was merely trying to add a dramatic "poetic effect" to the unicorn's death.

Wormerwing · February 1st, 2005, 06:23 PM

Okay, I submit.

But, before I go, I'll explain the "innocent" thing.

Sirius=believed to be killer. WAS INNOCENT

Got that off my chest. Bye-Bye

Bladeswift · February 1st, 2005, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wormerwing

Okay, I submit.

But, before I go, I'll explain the "innocent" thing.

Sirius=believed to be killer. WAS INNOCENT

Got that off my chest. Bye-Bye

If you're looking at it that way then I'd REALLY have to say Rowling wasn't referring to Sirius.

Wormerwing · February 1st, 2005, 07:51 PM

Yup, thought about it. Stupid

shadowmoon · February 1st, 2005, 08:17 PM

if you're talking about the bit when ronan said the stuff bout innocents wasn't that refering to lik, people in general? he was helping harry at the time and harry was in some trouble so therefore harry was like the victim like the people who keep getting killed in the books. So isnt jk rowling just mean that more innocents shall die? or is this very obvious?

Wormerwing · February 1st, 2005, 08:22 PM

Thank you. Geez, I've been having my ideas disputed too much.

Bladeswift · February 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM

You might want to see about having that brain exchanged. j/k It's alright, just remember that you learn more from your defeats than your victories.

shadowmoon · February 1st, 2005, 11:07 PM

A word from an experienced verteran? - jk

January 31st, 2005, 03:27 PM	#1
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	Foreshadow Ohhhhh! Remember in PS or SS(depending on nationality) where they found the dead unicorn? Hagrid said something about the innocent dying. Did that have something to do with Sirius? Was JK already planning on killing him? __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

January 31st, 2005, 08:27 PM	#5
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	Yes, but JK has before put many foreshadowings. Maybe this is one of them. __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

February 1st, 2005, 07:07 AM	#7
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	I KNOW IT'S ABOUT THE UNICORN. But what if it's about Sirius, too? __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

February 1st, 2005, 06:23 PM	#9
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	Okay, I submit. But, before I go, I'll explain the "innocent" thing. Sirius=believed to be killer. WAS INNOCENT Got that off my chest. Bye-Bye __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

February 1st, 2005, 07:51 PM	#11
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	Yup, thought about it. Stupid __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

January 31st, 2005, 03:53 PM	#2
Bladeswift Patroller: General Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Amerika (It's wunderbar!) Posts: 3,334	Uh...I don't think it was. Could you give the page where this is said so I could look it over myself?

January 31st, 2005, 05:28 PM	#4
Bladeswift Patroller: General Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Amerika (It's wunderbar!) Posts: 3,334	I'm pretty sure Ronan was referring to the unicorn as the "innocent."

February 1st, 2005, 06:13 PM	#8
Bladeswift Patroller: General Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Amerika (It's wunderbar!) Posts: 3,334	The saying "Always the innocent are the first victims" seems to me like just a wise observation. For starters, Sirius wasn't really that much of an "innocent" when he died. He was fighting against Voldemort and his followers, and therefore wouldn't be considered an innocent. He was their enemy. Just as an American soldier being killed by a German soldier during WW2 wouldn't be considered an innocent. The unicorn on the otherhand wasn't against Voldemort, it was merely trying to live its life. That makes the unicorn an innocent. I don't think in this instance Rowling was referring to anyone but the unicorn and that she was merely trying to add a dramatic "poetic effect" to the unicorn's death.

February 1st, 2005, 08:17 PM	#12
shadowmoon Patroller Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: first star to the right and straight on til morning Posts: 308	if you're talking about the bit when ronan said the stuff bout innocents wasn't that refering to lik, people in general? he was helping harry at the time and harry was in some trouble so therefore harry was like the victim like the people who keep getting killed in the books. So isnt jk rowling just mean that more innocents shall die? or is this very obvious? __________________ Hi I'm weirdo, extremely nice to meet you. Today is a great day to die from laughter

February 1st, 2005, 08:22 PM	#13
Wormerwing Patroller Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana, US Posts: 1,118	Thank you. Geez, I've been having my ideas disputed too much. __________________ Reality cannot be found except in one single source, because of the interconnection of all things with one another. -Gottfried Leibniz, Monadologie

February 1st, 2005, 08:54 PM	#14
Bladeswift Patroller: General Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Amerika (It's wunderbar!) Posts: 3,334	You might want to see about having that brain exchanged. j/k It's alright, just remember that you learn more from your defeats than your victories.

February 1st, 2005, 11:07 PM	#15
shadowmoon Patroller Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: first star to the right and straight on til morning Posts: 308	A word from an experienced verteran? - jk __________________ Hi I'm weirdo, extremely nice to meet you. Today is a great day to die from laughter

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