I'm Going To Kill You, I Just Don't Know How....

Josiah the Warrior · January 30th, 2006, 10:18 PM

I just noticed a huge error in The Prisoner of Azkaban; when Harry is standing over Sirius with his wand contemplating killing him, he threatens to do so out loud, but how? They don't learn unforgivable curses 'till next book. What's he gonna do, expelliarmus Sirius to death?

There was something else, but I can't remember it. It'll come back to me....

Bladeswift · January 30th, 2006, 10:40 PM

Few theories:

A) Speaking out of anger.
B) I can't recall what they'd been taught at that time, nor do I keep track of what spell does what, but my guess would be even a simple spell can be used in a lethal manner.
C) Non-magical methods.

Folgrimeo · January 30th, 2006, 10:57 PM

Maybe he would have cast a bunch of spells to temporarily immobilize or otherwise hinder Sirius. Also, I don't know if Sirius knew that Harry didn't know any magical ways to kill him at the time.

Harry was certainly mad enough to go to any length necessary to eventually kill Sirius. Maybe immobilize him and then punch his lights out. Lacking that, I guess he could cast the Tickling Charm.

Tesra · January 31st, 2006, 05:16 AM

Harry lost his nerves at this moment. I always believed Harry thought to punch Sirius the most beastly manner.

Or do anything else magical or not. I doubt if it had arrived, Harry had really thought of the manner to do that. I I found strangulation appealing then.

LordTBT · January 31st, 2006, 07:26 AM

Harry was and is a naive youth. Neville Longbottom is the man.

Josiah the Warrior · January 31st, 2006, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordTBT

Neville Longbottom is the man.

You and your Neville theories. (But think of the bragging rights if you're right!

)

Another discrepancy I found; in HBP, Lupin (or someone) tells Harry to check the date of the Prince's potions book to see when it was in use; to Harry's dismay, it was before his fathers time, my problem with that is

Spoiler (highlight to read):
if it was Snape's, how could it not be during his fathers days at school; he went to school with Severus!

Did I miss something?

Bladeswift · January 31st, 2006, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josiah the Warrior

You and your Neville theories. (But think of the bragging rights if you're right!

)

Another discrepancy I found; in HBP, Lupin (or someone) tells Harry to check the date of the Prince's potions book to see when it was in use; to Harry's dismay, it was before his fathers time, my problem with that is

Spoiler (highlight to read):
if it was Snape's, how could it not be during his fathers days at school; he went to school with Severus!

Did I miss something?

If I remember correctly the book originally belonged to Snape's mother, but I can't check at the moment.

LordTBT · January 31st, 2006, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bladeswift

If I remember correctly the book originally belonged to Snape's mother, but I can't check at the moment.

That is correct I believe.

Tesra · February 1st, 2006, 06:59 AM

I didn't remember who was belonging the book before Snape, but I remembered there was someone. If the date had be relevant, this had be too easy

Josiah the Warrior · February 5th, 2006, 10:59 PM

Top of page 158, American harback version of The Chamber of Secrets: "Five points from Gryffindor!" Percy said tersely, fingering his prefect badge. "And I hope it teaches you a lesson! No more detective work, or I'll write to Mum!"
Yet on page 626 in the American hardback version of The Order of the Phoenix: "He (Malfoy) was bluffing," said Ernie, looking appalled. "He can't be allowed to dock points...that would be ridiculous...It would completely undermine the prefect system."

So can prefects take away points or not?

Kreeve · February 6th, 2006, 12:48 AM

Prefects can take points away(If I remember correctly)

Tesra · February 6th, 2006, 01:24 PM

In the OotP, things aren't going on in a normal way. Malfoy & Co are named prefects but they aren't only by the will of Umbridge, so students like Ernie MacMillan are a bit confused and angry, which I understand well.

Josiah the Warrior · February 6th, 2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tesra

Malfoy & Co are named prefects but they aren't only by the will of Umbridge

No, they aren't made prefects, they're named to the "Inquisitorial Sqad," and their ability to dock points is what undermines the prefect system and angers Ernie.

the_mogget · February 6th, 2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josiah the Warrior

...It would completely undermine the prefect system."

So can prefects take away points or not?

It would undermine the prefect system, because prefects are the only students allowed to dock points. So, members of the Inquisitorial Squad taking away points makes the prefects obsolete.

[edit] Oops, you said the same thing right there... So, you answered your own question? [/edit]

Josiah the Warrior · February 6th, 2006, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_mogget

It would undermine the prefect system, because prefects are the only students allowed to dock points. So, members of the Inquisitorial Squad taking away points makes the prefects obsolete.

[edit] Oops, you said the same thing right there... So, you answered your own question? [/edit]

Page 625, American hardback version of OotP, last 2 paragraphs:
"Afraid I'm going to have to dock a few points from Gryffindor and Hufflepuff," he drawled.
"It's only teachers that can dock points from Houses, Malfoy," said Ernie at once.
(Continued on top of page 626)
"Yeah, we're prefects too, remember?" snarled Ron.
"I know prefects can't dock points, Weasel King," sneered Malfoy; Crabbe and Goyle sniggered. "But members of the Inquisitorial Squad-"

....Silly Rowling, Trix are for kids.

January 30th, 2006, 10:18 PM	#1
Josiah the Warrior Patroller: General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a Hokie Nation Posts: 3,012	I'm Going To Kill You, I Just Don't Know How.... I just noticed a huge error in The Prisoner of Azkaban; when Harry is standing over Sirius with his wand contemplating killing him, he threatens to do so out loud, but how? They don't learn unforgivable curses 'till next book. What's he gonna do, expelliarmus Sirius to death? There was something else, but I can't remember it. It'll come back to me.... __________________ -Josiah the Warrior "Life's a game; fight for survival and see if you're worth it." -Battle Royale

January 30th, 2006, 10:57 PM	#3
Folgrimeo Patroller Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,294	Maybe he would have cast a bunch of spells to temporarily immobilize or otherwise hinder Sirius. Also, I don't know if Sirius knew that Harry didn't know any magical ways to kill him at the time. Harry was certainly mad enough to go to any length necessary to eventually kill Sirius. Maybe immobilize him and then punch his lights out. Lacking that, I guess he could cast the Tickling Charm. __________________ Faux Pas - It's wild and domesticated reading! Last edited by Folgrimeo : January 30th, 2006 at 11:01 PM.

January 31st, 2006, 05:16 AM	#4
Tesra Patroller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between the western shores and the eastern mountains Posts: 912	Harry lost his nerves at this moment. I always believed Harry thought to punch Sirius the most beastly manner. Or do anything else magical or not. I doubt if it had arrived, Harry had really thought of the manner to do that. I I found strangulation appealing then. __________________ Tall ships and tall kings Three times three, What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree.

January 31st, 2006, 07:26 AM	#5
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February 1st, 2006, 06:59 AM	#9
Tesra Patroller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between the western shores and the eastern mountains Posts: 912	I didn't remember who was belonging the book before Snape, but I remembered there was someone. If the date had be relevant, this had be too easy __________________ Tall ships and tall kings Three times three, What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree.

January 30th, 2006, 10:40 PM	#2
Bladeswift Patroller: General Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Amerika (It's wunderbar!) Posts: 3,334	Few theories: A) Speaking out of anger. B) I can't recall what they'd been taught at that time, nor do I keep track of what spell does what, but my guess would be even a simple spell can be used in a lethal manner. C) Non-magical methods.

February 5th, 2006, 10:59 PM	#10
Josiah the Warrior Patroller: General Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: In a Hokie Nation Posts: 3,012	Another Mistake Top of page 158, American harback version of The Chamber of Secrets: "Five points from Gryffindor!" Percy said tersely, fingering his prefect badge. "And I hope it teaches you a lesson! No more detective work, or I'll write to Mum!" Yet on page 626 in the American hardback version of The Order of the Phoenix: "He (Malfoy) was bluffing," said Ernie, looking appalled. "He can't be allowed to dock points...that would be ridiculous...It would completely undermine the prefect system." So can prefects take away points or not? __________________ -Josiah the Warrior "Life's a game; fight for survival and see if you're worth it." -Battle Royale

February 6th, 2006, 12:48 AM	#11
Kreeve Patroller Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 188	Prefects can take points away(If I remember correctly)

February 6th, 2006, 01:24 PM	#12
Tesra Patroller Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Between the western shores and the eastern mountains Posts: 912	In the OotP, things aren't going on in a normal way. Malfoy & Co are named prefects but they aren't only by the will of Umbridge, so students like Ernie MacMillan are a bit confused and angry, which I understand well. __________________ Tall ships and tall kings Three times three, What brought they from the foundered land Over the flowing sea? Seven stars and seven stones And one white tree.

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